THE IRISH STAFFORD ?

Being that we own Blue Irish Staffords for quite some time now & like your self’s, we all want to know where they came from. Why are they called Irish Staffords. We can only give you the history on where they came from and what dogs what.

Like Ch Psycho / Ch Stormer / The Flynn lines / Dublin red Lines / CH. Gentleman Jim / Kilwickie Lad / Ch Pal of Aveth /The Great Geronimo /Doc’s Gr Ch Duke.

And that has lead to more up to date Breeders like the Kaos Kennels / Farmers boys / East streets  Northford’s / Scratch’s / ect ect /.

We cant tell you what has gone into the Irish Staffordshire lines of today. As Jo Bloggs down the road might be putting all sorts of mixed up dogs into the Irish lines, who knows other than the people that are doing it. If they are saying to you that they are of an old type Stafford, like a red nose, Blue nose, the American Stafford. Well then its definitely not an Irish Stafford is it. We haven’t got any thing against Pit-Bulls, Blue nose, Red nose, Am-Staffords ect ect.

Just Do Not Confuse The Irish Staffordshire with those types of dogs. We find the Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a wonderful outstanding breed of dog, with all the characteristics of what a Staffordshire Bull Terrier should be like, And very proud to own them.

The reason people think that they are Pit bulls is mainly there size, Just Slightly Bigger then the average Kennel Club Dog. But back in the day that was the size of a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The kennel Club breed them down in size, mainly for showing.

They are really Bull & Terriers, again back in the day they was called PIT BULL TERRIERS because of what they were. They was Breed manly for game fighting in a PIT,  like Bull fighting / Ratting / Badger fighting / ect ect so what is a Pit Bull then ???. Unfortunately its Just one of them names that go’s with the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

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 The Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the same as the standard Kennel Club Staffordshire. Coincidentally the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was officially recognized in 1935 by the Kennel Club.

The Kennel Club type dog was taken over to Ireland for Breeders wishing to produce a taller and more gamer type of dog, (Of witch we know of to day ). They imported a dog or bitch for a newer bloodline.

Although many strains of Stafford have been put over the English Bull Terrier over a period time. Others have kept to the Original type and continue to be bred along the correct lines. In particular the Irish strains have kept to the old ideals. The type of Stafford that was created was a taller, fitter slender dog than the English Kennel Club Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

The Irish Staffordshire Bull Terriers are also shown in dog shows all over the country apart from the Kennel Club shows like Cruffs.

What we have been seeing lately is Kennel Club Staffordshire Bull Terrier Blue dogs & bitch’s that are between 19” inch to 21” / 22” in Height, When really they are between 13” Height to 16” inch in Height. So those of you that own a Kennel Club dog can you honestly say that you know what lines are in your dog then ?.

What with all this back street breeding that’s going on. I was reading one ad on the free ads Pick & Mix Stafford’s for sale any colour & Any size what do they thing they are a shopping Center !. Shame its not buy one get one free LOL.

So who’s mixing the lines up then !, and deceiving the public and charging up to £800.00 to a £1000.00. Well that’s all good and well if its a genuine Kennel Club Stafford. Just lately we’ve been getting phone call’s on advice about the Kennel Club dog that is getting very long legs, with a slight pointed face and is all ready 14” inch high at 4 months old LOL. Well what do you think ?. Any way lets get back to what I was saying and stop bitching.

In the early 19th century a Blue variety was produced, Witch was known as The Blue Paul from Scotland. There was a Scottish Bull Terrier that is now Extinct by the way. ( Click Here for History on the Blues ) The Irish Blue variety (Blue Bullet line) was started by M. A. Smith and C. Smith, from a dog acquired in the Black Country.

HERE ARE JUST A FEW OLD TIME & IRISH LINES

CH. GENTLEMAN JIM      EVE & CH GENTLEMAN JIM

Was born in 1937 and lived for twelve years. He was the sire of over 250 registered Staffordshire Bull Terriers at a time when the breed was enjoying a boom following upon the war-starved years. He continued siring stock up to the age of ten years and it is clear that his influence must have been immense.

KILWICKIE LAD

Kilwickie lad was a straight cross. The result of the Rowdy x Kilwickie Lad mating resulted in the late Tom Haughey's North Star, which you can find in Ch Psycho's 5th generation and in a litter brother called "Blunder's Lad" that went to Gerry McIntyre the brother of Jerome who once owned the Irish Black Jack dog that M.D brought over.
Since Psycho was a 1/16th,

CH PAL OF AVETH

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Was another great dog, who when bred to H. Payne’s “Grand Duchess” produced very fine dogs. One of these was, Brindle Devil the qualities of this dog was said to be excellent. And this carried on into his offspring and there siblings to. One prefix that is famous is the Battling dogs these appear a very lot in the red strain dogs pedigrees

ALLEN’S GREAT GERONIMO

When Black Tiger was mated to cork Rose they produced a dog that became very well known in the Irish Trials as a very good badger dog.

Because of his performance in the trials you will find many top class dogs that have his name in their pedigrees. When Geronimo was put across Evergreen’s Tiny Peggy who was also known as Flynn’s Old Peggy they produced a bitch called Allen’s Peggy, when Peggy was mated to Walsh’s Whitey the result was Allen’s Major and Molly, when these two dogs were bred together they produced three pups one of which was Ch Psycho.

RICKY Bs CH PSYCHO

One of the best Irish Stafford's Psycho has been used extensively as a stud dog, With many good dogs coming down from him. Psycho Come from a good line of extremely game dogs. He was from a sister Brother mating. Psycho’s name was given to him because of his crazy Nacher as a young dog. Psycho was then sold on to Stevie B and was changed to AKA CH Hagler.

CH. STORMER

Stormer was a cross English bull terrier. Stormer name shows up in many show winning dogs of today. Stormer was born in Ireland and then was brought over to England were he became a stud dog and was bred to selected bitches.

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DOC’S GR CH DUKE

Dock’s GR CH Duke was the result of a mother and son mating, both Parents being owned by Dock. Out 0f a litter of four, two bitches were sold Up north and Duke and Duchess were kept by Dock. Docks GR. CH Duke was regarded by many as being one of the best Stafford's in Ireland. He was a devastating little dog, Only weighing 32lbs. He is Irelands first Gr. ch and was one of the first dogs outside America to be Registered so. Some of his offspring do very well, Sadly Duke was killed In a kennel fight, which also took the lives of other dogs

And here is a cut out of an article

by Phil Craven-Lancaster 

It's perfectly acceptable (assuming you care about acceptability) to crossbreed English Bull Terriers with Staffordshire Bull Terriers. The Stafford is a breed that is part of the EBT's heritage. In 1911, Mr Lyons of Wimbledon crossed his white-coated English, with dogs described as "Old Type Bull and Terriers" from the Black Country. These dogs were the ancestors of the modern day Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Mr Lyons made this cross in order to produce a coloured version of the then popular white English. Nowadays, white and coloured English Bull Terriers are interbred and considered to be the same breed of dog.

Breeders could therefore choose to use Staffordshires in order to obtain the necessary Bull and Terrier qualities, assuming that they're not available in conventional English lines. I recommend that if Staffords are to be used, then the "Old Time" (Irish) lines such as "Psycho", "Flynn" and/or "Dublin Red" bloodlines may contain the qualites which are suitable for blending.

Phil Craven-Lancaster 

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